Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: Derby Points (797 Views)

April 10, 2016 11:12PM
Miff,

The moment the maiden crossed the wire in second I told my dad "This is what the points system gets Churchill, a maiden in the Derby."

Two thoughts have come to mind.

1. Altering the points system would not prevent this occurrence but if they want to stick with this system, change seems in order. Going against Trojan Nation being undeserving, but does a second place finish in the marquee preps deserve more points than the secondary preps? For instance, Shagaf deserves 40 points for winning the Gotham while Trojan Nation would earn 50 for being second in the Wood due to recency, increased purse, and competition in the bigger event? Majesto's second place Fla Derby is worth less than Mohaymen's FOY? This doesn't seem accurate with obtaining the best horses in the most recent preps. Also, in addition to second I would propose the scoring for 3rd and 4th in the last preps would be increased. I don't care about Animal Kingdom's example but the poly prep at Turfway needs to go. I want the best 20 dirt horses in the world in the starting gate not a poly or turf horse. Don't give me the Churchill dirt really helps the horses with turf hooves....I want the best DIRT horses which brings me to idea number 2.

2. While not as "defined" as the current system, would a committee of experts provide a better Derby field than any system? Certainly there will always be horses left out on the perimeter but I'm analogizing this to the NCAA tourney. In addition, the entire "draw" could be seeded by the committee 1 through 20 with Seed 1 picking their post position first. This would reward the most deserving prospect rather than sticking some deserving horses in the dreaded 1 hole. As for the committee makeup, a representative from each jurisdiction where preps are located would be a possibility. Include one trainer, one owner, one jockey, one handicapper with one year appointments (no direct connection to the entrants is a reqt.) along with the committee members from New York, Florida, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Dubai, New Mexico, etc.

EDIT: The committee idea could lend itself to a major television event announcing the horses and seeds that would eclipse the current post position draw tv event that ends up ruining certain horses chances depending on their draw. And certainly there would be some cat and mouse games with horses running styles playing a part in the strategy of the connection choosing their post.

I know I'm tilting at windmills but the committee idea really seems to be the way to obtain the truly best dirt field. Oscar Nominated, Trojan Nation, and Lani appear to have little business in Running for the Roses besides picking up some pieces. Even CDI should want the 20 best horses possible and a points system is not the way to go. In addition, the committee can extend invitations to horses they believe are deserving and if the connections decline, they move on to the next horse to make up the best 22 horses with 2 AE until the morning of the Oaks when wagering would begin.
Subject Author Posted

Derby Points (1544 Views)

FrankD. April 09, 2016 11:23PM

Re: Derby Points (1058 Views)

Michael D. April 10, 2016 12:00AM

Re: Derby Points (953 Views)

FrankD. April 10, 2016 12:36AM

Re: Derby Points (1030 Views)

Michael D. April 10, 2016 12:49AM

Re: Derby Points (878 Views)

FrankD. April 10, 2016 12:53AM

Re: Derby Points (918 Views)

ajkreider April 10, 2016 01:14AM

Re: Derby Points (852 Views)

Tavasco April 10, 2016 01:25AM

Re: Derby Points (857 Views)

FrankD. April 10, 2016 01:39AM

Re: Derby Points (727 Views)

miff April 10, 2016 11:16AM

Re: Derby Points (855 Views)

belmont3 April 10, 2016 11:40AM

Re: Derby Points (866 Views)

ajkreider April 10, 2016 07:52PM

Re: Derby Points (785 Views)

miff April 10, 2016 08:54PM

Re: Derby Points (915 Views)

big18741 April 10, 2016 09:09PM

Re: Derby Points (829 Views)

ajkreider April 10, 2016 09:30PM

Re: Derby Points (879 Views)

FrankD. April 10, 2016 09:16PM

Re: Derby Points (1021 Views)

miff April 10, 2016 09:39PM

Re: Derby Points (797 Views)

Fairmount1 April 10, 2016 11:12PM

Re: Derby Points (832 Views)

jma11473 April 10, 2016 11:46PM

Re: Derby Points (666 Views)

belmont3 April 11, 2016 02:04AM

Re: Derby Points (852 Views)

richiebee April 11, 2016 01:08AM

Re: Derby Points (742 Views)

Tavasco April 11, 2016 07:35AM

Re: Derby Points (880 Views)

miff April 11, 2016 03:29PM

Re: Derby Points (956 Views)

Fairmount1 April 11, 2016 08:23PM

Re: Derby Points (1166 Views)

covelj70 April 12, 2016 11:54AM

Re: Derby Points (861 Views)

johnnym April 12, 2016 02:47PM

Re: Derby Points (775 Views)

Fairmount1 April 13, 2016 12:47AM

Re: Derby Points (828 Views)

covelj70 April 13, 2016 12:23PM

Re: Derby Points (681 Views)

miff April 13, 2016 12:53PM

Re: Derby Points (881 Views)

smalltimer April 13, 2016 01:14PM

Re: Derby Points (916 Views)

joemama April 13, 2016 02:39PM

Re: Derby Points (667 Views)

RICH April 13, 2016 03:09PM

Re: Derby Points (724 Views)

miff April 13, 2016 03:33PM

Uncle Mo - Dosage (872 Views)

BitPlayer April 13, 2016 06:35PM

Re: Uncle Mo - Dosage (834 Views)

Strike April 13, 2016 11:11PM

Re: Uncle Mo - Dosage (813 Views)

johnnym April 14, 2016 12:01AM

Re: Uncle Mo - Dosage (775 Views)

Strike April 14, 2016 12:58AM

Re: Uncle Mo - Dosage (689 Views)

johnnym April 14, 2016 01:54AM

Re: Uncle Mo - Dosage (1045 Views)

ajkreider April 14, 2016 12:30AM

Re: Uncle Mo - Dosage (706 Views)

BitPlayer April 14, 2016 02:42AM

Re: Derby Points (833 Views)

BH April 13, 2016 10:23PM

Re: Derby Points (739 Views)

FrankD. April 17, 2016 09:26AM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login