Having visited this forum hundreds of times and having purchased the seminars, I've come to this conclusion. Both sides of this thread are correct. The seminar is great and very much worth the money you spend on it. And there are a lot of pretentious folk on here that post regularly. Rarely are there any discussions of TG patterns, which is what this forum should be exclusively about. Thorograph is too unique and too good for discussions about anything else. This forum is called ASK THE EXPERTS. I doubt many on here would consider themselves an expert on TG. Before I post my next sentence and advice, I'll be the first to say I've been guilty of posting things on here that aren't about TG patterns. Yet my advice to others and I will attempt to follow this advice myself, is that if you post something on here, make sure it's solely about TG patterns of a horse, a trainer, a sire, etc and lets attempt to make each other better at using Thorograph and trying to attain that status of EXPERT even if being an expert is likely never attainable.