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Yep. Which says more about her chances than I think it does for Max.
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I certainly didnt expect to see Max Player have a sheet like that. Is anyone taking this horse serious?
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thank you for pointing this out! much appreciated.
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TGJB,
I have a question on the final time of the Champaign.
I know your team clocks races on their own when a situation warrants, but I see the final time you have listed for the Champaign as the official time noted on the equibase chart. Is the figure you gave this race (and the winner) based off the time noted in the chart and the sheet? Or was it based off of the hand time that you and
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Np. I ran into a buddy who works in the field and that was what he had told me to respond with.
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AI is a very broad term. What exactly are you looking for?
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As one of the younger horseplayers here I must ask, what was the view on Frankel while he was training? Was he regarded as a clean trainer or was he viewed as “one of those guys?â€
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They need to just give the job to Frank and call it a day.
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I’m curious. Is the lack of bigger fields in stakes races this year just a cycle that happens every few years? Or is it due to the lack of lasix in said races? What do the people here say?
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Forgive me for asking but was the blank sheet a mistake? Or did the team not have a figure for the horse / races?
10 - race 9 on Friday.
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absolutely agree with what you said. I just wanted to keep it to the sheet. But yes, Mike was pointing here. He wanted to re-route to the derby and they said no (ITM Oaks Podcast was where I saw this). So it was to the preakness they went. And went they did...
For what it is worth, I used the horse only underneath (third). Not on top.
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Not JB, but I can take a stab at answering your question.
Rombauer was fast(ish) at 2. Ran back to the number first out at 3YO, then made modest improvement at Keeneland. Another move forward was not out of the question.
Unbridled Honor wasnt quick at 2YO, came back as a 3YO and took two starts to pair the 2YO top, then moved forward 5 points next out at Keeneland. Another move forward of
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Do you want them to place the bets for you as well?
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Can we move on to a new topic here? I think we all agree on the BB topic.
Have not looked at the product yet, but I am wiling to bet Risk Taking in this spot.
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Too arrogant and too self loathing to do so. Benefit of the doubt is fine and cute in most situations. Not this one. Fool me once, Bobby…
Idk who mentioned but it was spot on. Someone brought up the that one day at Belmont where he took every race on the card. That was it for me.
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come on. You know better than this. No one in the racing "media" ever dare ask such pointed questions to one of their own. I'm sure behind closed doors over 90% of people involved in the industry just shrug and say "that's baffert."
No one dare ever say a bad thing about him in the mainstream landscape. That's career suicide. Just look at who the folks on th
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A better question to ask is are they going track sire off lasix.
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I’ll preface with saying I did not hit.
I don’t know if others on here use race shapes, but I can’t think of a better example to show their importance than a race like yesterday. No other product had Medina that clear at the first quarter. We all know that on big days, tracks will play fast. Medina cleared the field and took them gate to wire. Should have kept it simple, stupid.
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you should not be playing horses if you think this goes through.
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Interestingly analysis. One point I'd add to the 2017 running. I think Thunder Snow blowing the break (or whatever happened there) might have aided Lookin at Lee a bit there at the start of the race.
Thx for the analysis.
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Agree. JV should be upfront IMO. RYW will rate and SS will be there for a bit as well. But if past derbies / CD play true to form, Medina will be tough. Even if the sheets don’t fit. I’m scratching my head with this one. This is one of the more perplexing derbies in recent memory. You have EQ beat HM by a head who got dusted by Weyburn (a Belmont contender IMO) last out. So I’m at witts end
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Is this assuming Rosario chokes his horse and doesn’t get loose with Rock Your World? I have a hard time envisioning a race where Rosario doesn’t find himself on the lead.
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I give King Fury about as good of a shot at getting in the super than about half the field. Idk what price he will be but it will surely be too high for his actual chances.
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Sure. #13 is live and has a sheet almost identical as past horses from the same barn in this race (albeit slower... but i'll attribute that to no lasix).
The horse I am referring to in my comments is post #22. Very similar to lookin at lee (2017) and commanding curve (2014) in past years.
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I was initially high on this horse until I took a closer look at the latest race. And by my eye, he looked at bit gassed going through the wire. But an interesting pattern nonetheless.
In response to @toppled (to not make multiple replies on this thread). p16 has the best looking pattern of all of these, IMO. He will certainly be on my tickets. But questions do exist...
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Sorry for being cryptic. PDF page #25 is the horse I was referring to.
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Without giving any of JB's data away, I think there is another horse that better mimics the Commanding Curve sheet.
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I have a couple questions for the folks on this board regarding hot sire INTO MISCHIEF. Before last September, my common conception (along with others, I suspect) was that INTO MISCHIEF could not get 10F. Obviously, Mr. Baffert fooled me again and he won not only the Derby but the Breeders Cup as well. My first reaction to this was, "well that's just the Baffert program" and I did
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