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Ha, With some thought this actually could be a money maker..
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It exemplifies what so many have been saying from the rip, it’s a 20 horse field, you don’t take down the CLEAR winner when you can point to numerous examples of the same/similar/worse/not as bad infractions in every single derby ever ran including this one obviously. It’s all political. And again, as said in the other thread, this makes Mott and Jock look super bad.
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Always tainted I’d think. But can he really wheel back again in two weeks? He just ran the race of his life to place?
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Just a bit? He looked pathetic. He lobbied then immediately went into the old “golly shocks†spin routine. Fake and contrived. #20 objecting was dead wrong, the BB quote sums it up ...â€take your ass kickin’ like a manâ€...,And I had no money involved either way FWIW.
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Damn, I didn’t see that. That will certainly temper the Preakness. As you can tell from above, I was looking forward to him running.
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I agree with this general thought above.To me it’s what comes next. For the first time in 145 runnings of the most popular race in the world, the winner was taken down in real time, the betting outcome literally turned upside down. If you don’t think this will drastically change things going forward you’re being naive.
Expect the number of objects/inquires to go through the roof, and l
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IDK man, how many infractions are ignored in every derby every year? In my personal opinion this could be disatorous. Now the precedent has been set and I can see a very likely scenario where it turns into something like modern day NFL, where after every incomplete pass play everyone looks around and waits to see if a flag’s been thrown. The “most exciting two minutes in sports†turns in
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20 objecting is the gross part of it all to me. There’s so much that goes on in this race every year the irony shouldn’t be lost on anyone that this is the instance they take someone down. Silver’s pre race post sums it up pretty perfectly. Foul or no foul it’s a terrible look and will absolutely turn a massive amount of people off at a time when it’s the last thing racing needs.
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But that’s a big issue on the list of what not to like. For me it turns him into a defensive play as opposed to potential value, even a Key. He’ll be on or near the lead and that’s half the battle as of late.
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I for one, love the inside-boots on the ground info, keep it coming always. I actually am in agreement with the above poster, I’ll play 8,2,5 and mix in 10,19...and some lesser using combinations of 3,6,7,16 (but the price on 7/16 makes this almost not useable, never saw 9/2 on MS, thought ~12/1 range offered some value, now not so much.
Basically if and when the weather hits I want to be u
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Indeed you did, I see him even more forwardly placed drawing perfect and picking up Mike Smith in the 11th hour then I did before. The off going doesn’t appear to hurt either quite possibly the opposite. I am conflicted as to if he has the quicks to be comfortably in that first flight of stalkers. Being on the lead would be a surprise (I think his stablemate is more likely to be up there mixi
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Santa Anita issues, but he looks dead fit, certainly filled out and to the eye appears no worse for the wear. Visually the best of the BB contingent. Think he grinds out a number the puts him in the mix. Though depending on the slop might move his stable mate up a bit looking at everything that was the AK Derby as a whole. Paddock-Gatex2-Wide every step-never settled, but still ran big. Have
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I completely understand and agree with the concept of using TG fig’s to quantify how fast said horse ran on said day. I probably didn’t do a good enough job framing my question, Obviously, in general you can’t compare different preps ran on different surfaces under different pace scenarios etc, and just look at the clock and come to a hard and fast conclusion. A large % of time the horse
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Because if they do take a look at the Sunland derby. I know it’s a second tier race but if Firing Line switches leads AP doesn’t win the derby. Point is there’s some “recency†coming out of that race and the winner this year ran about 15 lengths faster than anyone else this prep season based solely on final times. I usually don’t pay much attention at all to final times at differen
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I’ll be using both TAP’s. It’s kinda like internet porn or stoping at the bar when your supposed to be getting dog food, you know better, you know you shouldn’t do it, but there’s a part of you that just has to see what it’s all about.
But seriously the expected odds make him a must use on at least a few tickets, imvho
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So Max Security gets an “easy lead?†What about War of Will and Improbable, both seem to need room to run/hate kick back. They should be right off the #7 if possible. And I agree Spinnoff is sent as well, throw in Vekema and those should be the first wave, and recent history says that’s the group to pay attention to. What does Tax do from inside?
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I think there’s a real shot that he’s on the lead to answer the question. (Post pending) but yeah I think he goes, War if Will needs to be up front to have a shot so he goes and Max Security will be forwardly placed to, possibly sacrificing his chances to help Game Winner? But I do see scenario’s where Improbable is on the lead or just off it running on the outside (same as War of Will mo
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I think it’s Friday Oaks day am if I’m not mistaken.
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I feel comfortable, even without the benifit of post positions, in saying Vecoma won’t get lose on the lead. Not to say I’m tossing him completely, he seems to try super hard every time he loads, time will tell if he can get the distance though.
Tacitus’s two preps, especially his Wood, looks better and better every time I watch it. And as of late, these long standing Derby truth’s,
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So looking at this again, #11-16,18 all should get the distance at 26/1 - 60/1 could do a lot worse underneath for sure. Best betting derby in a bit.
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7/10 shot at running fast enough to matter is pretty strong right? What am I missing?
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Awesome stuff... I agree with the thought that BB/Roadster gets pounded on race day. Shown versatility, beat a big name in one of if not the biggest prep (as it pertains to the derby in recent years atleast) and has BB, TV cameras, Newspaper articles (horse players might be the only sub sect of society that still reads them) and hype in general.
Omaha Beach crushes the eye test, and that’
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TAP maybe mixing it up this year? Instead of blowing the doors off FL all winter itseems like “maybe†strictly focusing on peaking in May. Potentially not just the derby, but the whole series. Or he just doesn’t have the goods? I’ll likely make the same mistake for the umptenth time and use his heavily at a price.
I was really hoping Mandella didn’t win the AK Derby. Running sec
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BB said he got tired late as well, I could concede the possibility that he that he wasn’t fully cranked up, but still wouldn’t want to hear that. Although I did read that BB appeared upset after the SA derby w the outcome? Not sure what that means?
I really hope Omaha Beach isn’t the favorite, preferably not in the top 3-4...
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Of the weekend runners it seems like Roadster under the BB spring program is most likely to take another step forward. But it’s a lot harder to make the run vs 19 than 5?
If Improbable wins next week is he the derbyfavorite? No one stands out this year, the talking heads will influence the public more than normal with the absence of a “star.†Agree this has the makings of a (much welc
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Still not sure why they decided to sit behind horses and eat dirt the entire race? Controlling speed, rail, oh well. He showed little to nothing in the stretch regardless. Maybe he’s not that good, but it would have been nice to find out with the useage of his best attributes as opposed to whatever that was Saturday.
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I used to spend a ton of time at PM, when I lived out there years back. Would draw large crowds on triple crown days, decent crowds on big NY/CA days through simulcast, but the local racing wasn’t promoted much at all. The fact that it’s in the city and seemed to be in fairly decent condition makes me think there’s some potential. During the rainy winter meet it’s virtually impossible t
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I’ll use both the outside horses in exotics. G&T more do to the “eye test†from the last, and a feeling that this is the race for a FL homebred. I think a new top is likely and he should get the set up he needs.
As to the 10, if he has another forward move it puts him right there. His last clumps him in with many of the others # wise, except he’ll be a much better price.
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