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Wow. That is an angle that I had not seen before. I originally thought that there should be no DQ. Now I think they took down the wrong horse.
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I will. They showed this same angle on the TV broadcast. I can watch this replay 100 more times and it won’t change my opinion. Full disclosure: I had no money at stake on any of these horses, and no attachment to any of the involved parties. It’s purely my objective opinion.
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I disagree with the DQ and I don’t fall into either of the “only†2 camps as you describe them. I didn’t have any money on any of the horses that were involved. And my position on the DQ decision is not based on any emotion. I just watched all the relays and concluded that it was a mistake to DQ the winner for what happened at the top of the stretch. If that is the new standard for a DQ i
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This is the bottom line to me:
“we are now basing DQs on what could have happened? And we are now basing DQs on what a horse "might" have had left in the tank?â€
“Every horse had a 1/4 mile to get by the winner and couldn't do it.â€
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Agree with ajkreider. Stories like that are good ammunition for the ban-racing movement. The “good†guys entered a cripple for a $10K tag. The “bad†guys entered the same cripple for a $32K tag. I think the opponents of racing will focus on the constant in that story and won’t make the subtle distinction between “good†and “bad†that is made by the fans of racing.
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I think the only question was did it alter the order of finish.
“If in the opinion of the stewards a foul alters the finish of a race, an offending horse may be disqualifiedâ€
I don’t see how the stewards concluded that the incident altered the finish of the race. WoW did get impeded, but he recovered, continued racing, and then backed up. How can they say they know that WoW wouldn’t
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I don’t know about Baffert, but taking that horse down was a travesty.
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Thanks. I now understand that you didn’t mean what you said about the break. Clears that up.
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I’m not sure if I’m not making my question clear or you’re just intentionally avoiding it. But either way, I give up.
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I understand about the lead in the stretch, but you said he also broke on the wrong lead. I was just asking what that meant. I’m not familiar with right and wrong leads at the break.
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I wasn’t aware that there was a right or wrong lead for the break. What’s the theory there?
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It will never come up if Lasix is eliminated. She bled through Lasix, was administered Lasix and pronounced fit, and will be racing with Lasix in the Oaks. If Lasix is banned we should never see this occur again. Assuming there is an effective post race test for Lasix of course.
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Re bad optics: Based on what I see on TV, a little more blood might increase the appeal of the sport.
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So you’re saying that neither Omaha Beach nor Roadster have any chance to win. That’s what “literally a no win situation†would be. Seems a little extreme. Is that literally what you meant to say?
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What about Game Winner? He surely got the best TG number in that race. Did Beyer give him a better number?
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I guess I’m the rare exception. I stopped. No one noticed.
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There aren’t any reasons why it couldn’t work here as well as Europe. Lots of reasons why it won’t.
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Fairmount1, you are correct. But I will go one step farther and add that the sport of racing is already a deadman walking. It was once great. But resuscitation is no longer possible. I’ve participated in all aspects of the industry and that was one of the most enjoyable periods of my life. But that was long ago, and now I’m just a casual observer, mostly just watching the car wreck happen. It
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So I understand your position to be that the business of racing can not survive without race day administration of Lasix. There aren’t any other drugs that you think should be allowed on race day. And you feel so strongly about Lasix that if racing does decide to eliminate Lasix you will quit the business. Does that pretty well sum up you position?
What is your opinion about the California d
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Are you in favor of the use of other therapeutic drugs on race days, or just Lasix?
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A strange choice of hill to die on. You believe many of the winningest trainers are cheating. And that doesn’t stop you from betting. But the elimination of Lasix would be the thing that takes you out of the game? What’s wrong with NO DRUGS including Lasix?
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Does anyone know if there are any good studies that compare the rate of fatal breakdowns between the US and Europe? Between Grass and Dirt in the US? By Class of horse on each surface? All of those would be interesting factors to look at. I’m sure the data exists and I would be surprised if someone hasn’t looked at each of those in some sort of statistical analysis.
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“we may consider not running“
Now there’s a definitive statement. LOL
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Given this:
My question: Who owns the rights to The Preakness name?
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In which sport are "participants not solely acting in their own self interest"?
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How about neither? No coupled entries. And no uncoupled entries.
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