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Boy, I really opened a can of worms when I initially wanted to simply compare horse racing's path to Hall of Fame to MLB's more arduous path to their Hall of Fame.
But, since we are now discussing Pete Rose who I entirely agree was a magnificent baseball player -- he did bet on his own team as a manager and ESPN reported as a player as well. Normal bet was $2,000.
However, if Rose
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You say "he had a disease and made a mistake" ...and what in your opinion was his disease? Gambling?
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A few years ago the Wall Street Journal reported he makes over $1 million a year selling autographs. I saw him a long time ago sitting in a memorabilia store in the Caesars mall with a line out the door. I thought it was pretty pathetic for him (despite the money) and the guys standing in line.
Your point is well taken. He retired in 1986. His lifetime ban was in 1989. Within the Hall of Fame
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Arrogance + Ridiculous Excuses + Messing With Not Only the KY Derby but also the KY Oaks the Year Before + History of Positives = 2 year ban in Kentucky.
California will do nothing per usual. Belinda Stronach is a wild card though.
Florida -- same comment as California.
New York may be tough like Kentucky.
The only way to clean up the sport is to throw the book at these guys. Baseba
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Pissing Groom is the best. Salonpas Positive is another. Or, Otomax Positive. Or, Dextorphan Positive. Or, Scopolamine Positive. Or, Transparent Bobby.
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I guess by looking at "Your Name" -- Silver Charm -- we know where your feelings are. Mentioning that Baffert's owners haven't fired him yet totally missed the point. Of course they haven't. UNTIL. He is labeled a cheater. UNTIL. His purse wins are wiped out. UNTIL. He is known for disrespecting the horses under his care -- and their value drops. UNTIL the CHRB grows some
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A couple of publications quoted Baffert's lawyer a couple of weeks ago that they have not selected the lab to conduct the split test. Apparently, there is no required timeframe that Baffert's team needs to meet for such a lab selection. Speculation at the time was an intentional stall to allow Baffert to run in the Belmont. Of course, the suspension quashed any effort for him to enter h
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Shaking my head -- again. Bob's credibility is gone. He blames Covid for the good doctor Michael Hore being unable to perform the promises he made after another positive. Such BS.
Lifted from Paulick Report --
In November of 2020, trainer Bob Baffert announced that he was retaining Dr. Michael Hore of Hagyard Equine Medical Institute to “add an additional layer of protection to ensure
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This has nothing to do with the Baffert-mess but non-racing folks must be wondering what the hell is going on. In fact, racing folks must be wondering the same.
Very stiff penalty compared with Baffert's $100 fines in the past with no suspension.
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Boy, impressive -- the lawyers put this together very quickly. Especially all of the Baffert-related citations over the years. What popped out to me is the leniency (merciful/tolerant) of the fines. $100 -- another $100 -- how about $25 -- maybe $150... .
Nothing will ever change when violators know their "fines" are ridiculous.
Really -- $100 for a drug violation?
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I have seen Hollendorfer's name mentioned a number of times as compared with the Baffert Kentucky Derby positive. Remember --
Hollendorfer was the most prominent trainer to be banned from Stronach Group tracks in the wake of publicity surrounding the deaths of 30 horses during racing or training at Santa Anita in the winter-spring season that ended June 30, 2019.
The complete Hollen
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OK --
You Google Shug and you get:
Travers wins 4
Jockey Club Gold Cup wins 3
Breeders Cup wins 9
Kentucky Derby wins 1
Belmont wins 1
You Google Diodoro and you get:
Fined for medication violations
Fined for trio of positives
Begins serving suspension for medication positives
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If I was the CEO of Merck, I would not be happy that Baffert has thrown Otomax into the mix of what possibly caused the positive. He says the treatment began on April 3 and stopped on May 1. The hind end photo (not dated but believed to be May 11) shows what appears to be significant dermatitis -- implying the product after a month plus of daily application just doesn't work.
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October 20, 2020. Filly Gamine was disqualified from third to last in the Kentucky Oaks on Sept. 4 after testing positive with 27 picograms of betamethasone. Baffert did not appeal and was fined $1,500.
Hopefully, this case will go away as easily as that one did assuming the split comes back positive (and I think it will -- I am sure a positive test on the Kentucky Derby winner was retested 10
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makrmark Wrote:
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> so a person who has bac of double or .12 because
> they ate a rum cake but it didnt effect the
> outcome of their driving should just get off? I
> mean miniscule or not this was double the
> limit...innocent or not this was double the
> limit..and not the first time...if the split comes
> back h
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I guess your point is the testing regulations are flawed and need to be changed. I cannot argue with that. But, for the time being the rules and regulations are what they are. Real time. Everyone either knows them or should not be training, owning or providing vet services.
If he is disqualified from the KY Derby for the positives -- he deserves it. If he wins the next 2 Triple Crown races an
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Mr Bee, I always enjoy your stories and writing ability -- don't have a clue what you do for a living but if writing isn't part of it -- it should be.
I have said before I have gambled on horses since the late 70's and have owned horses since 1990. THIS is a turning point for me. If Baffert comes away unscathed -- again -- with a split sample positive -- I am done. I have had t
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richiebee Wrote:
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> Rat or raccoon?
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> Cough medicine or innocent ointment?
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> Maybe biggest lie of the week is Baffert saying he
> doesn’t want to cause a distraction by going to
> Baltimore. Might be the truth is that there are
> many questions to be asked that BB can not answer
> honestly.
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I have had some conversation with some known horsemen in Kentucky. They just say Baffert is talking too much and should just shut up.
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This is what I read --
On “The Dan Patrick Show,†Baffert claimed that a groom urinated in the horse’s stall after he had been taking cough medicine and Medina Spirit ate some of the hay. It is currently on the way to Baltimore, although Baffert has yet to be told if Medina Spirit will be allowed to run in this Saturday’s Preakness Stakes. A second drug test usually takes up to three w
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Bobby wanted to get ahead of the story and with a bit of arrogance thought he could manipulate the truth. He did what anyone who has ever been deposed has been told not to do by their lawyer -- talk to much and lie. He (very) apparently did both. I imagine he was told to get with the vets and find ANYTHING that contains the substance that could cause the positive -- and, they found ointment. I gu
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On the Churchill Downs suspension -- "I thought I had a good relation(ship) with them with all the stuff I've done with my Triple Crown winners," he said. "I'm the face of the sport (emphasis added) and I'm trying to promote my sport. And that was a pretty low blow, what they did yesterday. I wish they would've called me."
OK -- last time we had a bandai
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rezlegal Wrote:
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> If the split sample confirms the results of the
> first, can you explain to the Board why, exactly,
> the charges will be dropped? Is there an exception
> in the regs that if the steroid enters the horses
> system through his behind ( assuming arguendo that
> was the sole source of entry) rather tha
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TGJB Wrote:
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> I think you can still probably find the seminar
> someplace.
"Medina Spirit – cost just a little less than Baffert’s babies usually do, but as soon as he was stretched out he started pounding out good figures. In his last he raced wide and actually earned almost the same figure as the winner, who saved gr
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confused Wrote:
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> You're saying this horse was a 'move up' horse?
> Give me a break, he was among the leaders in
> numbers going into the race. Did he improve?
> Yes. But not out of the range of normalcy for a
> young horse.
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> Baffert may be an egotistical idiot, but he's no
> fool.
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Baseball got serious about PEDs by giving serious penalties to those who got caught using them and effectively banning them from post career awards (Hall of Fame). Looks like -- aside from some trash can bashing -- baseball is now clean. I agree a "positive" for a trillionth of a gram of anything is pretty ridiculous and that the focus, as you say, should be on substances and amounts of
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TGJB Wrote:
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> Meanwhile, Trump says “Medina Spirit is a junky
> (sic) and emblematic of what is happening in our
> countryâ€, and Baffert goes on Fox to say it’s
> cancel culture.
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> Shoot me.
The New York Times said in November 2020 that Baffert-trained horses have failed at least 29 drug tests in his f
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Roman Wrote:
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> 1 Picogram is exactly 0.000000000000001 kilograms.
> It’s like money in Miami. All covered in
> cocaine. Testing to a picogram , you are bound to
> find something that shouldn’t belong, and
> probably will not know how it got there.
Nice to hear you are good at math. Out of the 20 Kentucky Derby e
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Fairmount1 Wrote:
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> From my prior message in this string if I have
> placed this correctly.
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> I'm just going to set this right here for everyone
> to recall. . . Too bad I did not believe he could
> win when I put it out here almost exactly what
> would happen. More when time permits.
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