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I agree, I thought there was was enough to take down AmerRev. That ride on Friday has to cost him days, even if over the holidays.
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Just wondering if anyone else has had a difficult experience reading person to person messages. What is the key? log in and select person to person messages? Really, any insight would be most appreciative...
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Hello all, a quick shout out to all the folks over at Thoro-Graph. Really appreciate the Belmont Stakes seminar as well as the association with NYRABETS so that we can lower the ancillary costs associated with horseplaying. My friends and I had the unique opportunity to sit with Chris Kay a few years back and there were 2 points he wanted to drive home. #1 is the amount of people trying to steal
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Hearing the same thing. Lead story on the local news was a small outbreak tied to visitors from Florida. People will understandably flock to those places that are open. I feel for the owners that were unable to attend the Belmont Stakes. If ever there was a place to practice social distancing, Belmont Park is it ... Good luck all, be safe, have fun!
Cheers
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For those looking at the Empire 6 Off turf and track is sloppy. Rosario/Cancel picking up some extra mounts as Declan Carrol off, significant change perhaps. Scratches coming soon, likely decremental squared! I second JB, excellent choice and use of the word. Well done.
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I'm in! The Derby Gods have spoken, The West's sold their soul in an attempt to win the KY Drby with a trainer who puts up some stats that are outliers in the sport. I genuinely feel bad for them because they invest and racing needs them. As to the inquiry/objection and how it came about, who cares as long as they got it right. They did. Good for Prat for saying something. Who on here h
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Excellent point all around but really important with regards to this procedure. Question about Lasix and workouts and how it relates to Serengeti. Heard All Stall on Byk and he said she bled a 6 on a 1 to 5 scale and bled through Lasix. He comes back and works her (on lasix) and pronounces her healthy. Now we are supposed to find out in the KY Oaks?? Maybe a test run somewhere, no? Watching her l
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WWW checked pretty good and still kept coming. I thought he put in a pretty good run. Would def be inclined to use.
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Lets take a look at Serengeti Empress. Is she now (or was all along) a confirmed bleeder. She bled through Lasix and finished up the track at what 3-5? I heard Steve Byk comment on it today advocating for the drug. If you didnt like her you had to play "all" imo. What did the analysis say? How is the horseplayer protected in these situations? Those supporting the use of Lasix are going
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Ladies and Gentlemen Furosemide, Salix, Lasix ect has been proven scientifically to be a performance enhancing drug. Anyone with just a bit of common sense could make an reasonable argument that the "reaction" to taking such a drug during physical exertion will probably be detrimental to overall health over time. An analogy might be the morning after cashing a big ticket at the Spa. I a
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Anyone going to be at Monmouth this Saturday for their NHC contest? If so send a PM, would be great to say hello. Also, ever hear of the NY State Handicapping Championship? Run by the "Racino ADW's". Can also win an NHC seat. Anyway... I see my good friend Felix is back in the states again. Mendelsohn that is. Would love to hear thoughts on the way he has been campaigned. The NYRA
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Mendelssohn is definitely quick out of the gate and is also being hustled to boot. He has shown though he can sit behind (just) and settle. Not sure what that deal is with that ride in the JCGC though. If he doesnt chase the race is for 2nd most likely, so he goes. I guess they were trying to win the race. Cant imagine that being the best way to leg up a horse for the next one. Maybe he was a bi
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Worlds greatest hitting at 9% per Racingpost. So far today his horses are lights out across the pond today. Catholic Boy physically looks like a beast... see what Maggie says. Enjoy see you at the IRS window. Where is the TG hangout! Need to say hello to Fairmont, love his posts and enthusiasm
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Thank you! And fwiw, ran into the Coolmore lads this morning and asked about the article that is in todays Racing Post about the sickness that has run through Ballydoyle this summer. They confirmed and said we'll see wont we. Good luck all!
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2 years running now I have had my primary Ky Drby future wager draw the 14 post and get virtually eliminated at the start...I do hope to see Mendelssohn in Saratoga. Speaking of, any locals should take the opportunity to stop by the Racing Museum and listen to Tom Durkin discuss some memorable Belmont calls. Heard that on Steve Byks excellent radio show...Saturday is the Epsom Derby, ground looks
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Quiet day at work so thought I would try my hand at analyzing the BES. In PP order
Tell your Mama - inching forward but hasnt run a figure fast enough to be relevant for the top spot.
Midnight Disguise - scratched
Coach Rocks - Either that last race was the end of the line or simply didnt like the mud. Spots 1/2 a point in weight to boot. Either way a toss.
Red Ruby - If you disregar
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Tabasco! Watch his BC race and tell me he cant rate. Sek good observation, but wrong I think besides Sat will be his 3rd time of the track visit form cycle all systems go, he gets a dream trip takes over when ready. Could happen ... True story I was with some WTB guys and they said they threw him out in the BC because he stopped and dropped as soon as he got on the track. He's a stallion all
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Moore will have him break clean and hustled into a perfect ground saving trip into the first turn. He is big and fast. Watch the BC replay, if he doesnt get out of the 1 hole he is swallowed up. No, he gets a perfect position and settles nicely. Explodes turning for home, has done it repeatedly. Or he get clobbered a la Classic Empire. Stuff happens ... Cant wait to see what he looks like on trac
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Encourage all to watch on Kentuckderby.com, really awesome. I feel as though I am watching Hofburg develop before my eyes. Wonder what Mendelssohn will look like? Out of sight...did he grow in last 5 weeks? Carry his weight? Maggie could help I'll bet. Any idea what the quarantine procedure is like?
Shout out to TG Jeff well done interview with Byk. TGPS is great, especially if you want
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So... anectodally we (I) can say that there are quite a few variables on which we cant agree and/or interpret differently as pertains to the Dubai races. Runups, metre's, reactions, pairs, lasix on, and the list goes on. Seeking clarification on this chilly late April North Country evening, I consulted the archives and found myself at the Y2K Breeders Cup TG's (not sheets) to see what A
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We see what we see. How much horse flesh do these guys go through to come up with a few stars? Which of the bunch can stand up to that training? I'm at the OKLA track (Saratoga) a lot and TP and Chad have a ton of 2 year olds...
Question about Bolt and his trainer. Clearly the horse can make a trainer look good. Maybe Mick Ruiz is in a bit over his head here? Not being critical, but its
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Really interesting discussions and view points that are articulated well. Thank you all !! Great info provided by Molesap. 5 times in a row since the point system went into effect? That is powerful to me. I have been looking for a reason to go all in, and bet against, Mendelssohn. Right now I'm all in, and will stay that way unless he shows up in KY looking worse for wear from the UAE Derby.
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So the strategy should be to play him to react, right? Given his development, what is a realistic regression and where does that leave him? Does the turf-synth-dirt change the equation at all? Timeform has him going to 127 from 116. Is that a lot for them? The early future odds say there’s value created. Hey, enjoy the racing tomorrow, and good luck
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Thank you mjellish for your explanation, really appreciate it. Especially in this context as the performance is an anamoly, except perhaps when you figure the breeding/connections. This is a situation we havent seen before. I'm so tired just got back juice after 36 hours without. Even still I know that the greatest bargain in years is to bet $50 on who you will think wins the Wood and get b
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FWIW, Moore has a mount in the Blue Grass and in the Shakertown. I guess they are serious about getting him some experience. Also, this horse is a late foal. May 17th. Will run on Lasix and not the 1st time. Whats that worth? To me it all adds intrigue because he has to be considered, where in the past the overseas horses were tosses. Yeah, lots of questions but dont they all?
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Interesting listen on Steve Byk's podcast w/ Andy Beyer re how they came up with what they believe is an accurate BSF. I know little about making figures, but his explanation doesnt seem plausible. Since they had back figures from the World Cup horses they take the position that those horses ran "their race" so they just based their figures off of that? And because Beyer and Moss a
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Obviously he was riding to instructions. Get position, save ground, take a breather, open up, and finish with authority. Seriously though... serious horse, with a serious developing pattern, and serious doesn't describe Moore/O'Brien. I hear the symphony playing at the TG Seminar at Siro's!
Jeff, thanks for cultivating that relationship with NYRA. Xpressbet give me $$, and TG/NY
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On the topic of lightly raced w/2 preps and worthy efforts vs foundation and experience, I 2nd mjellish.
Unless... your horse is trained by Aidan O'Brien. Check out some of the footage over at Racingpost.com. Racecourse gallops are more competitive than most horses will ever see.
Which brings me to...The UAE Derby. I'm interested in seeing what maestro does with that pedigree. Be
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