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Tough beat. Sometimes the board is right and sometimes the board is wrong. In this case the numbers were right on ROC.
Wasn't his day, but a freshen up and he'll be heard from again. Took Curlin a while to arrive at his best level and stay there.
Peace out.
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I know ROC hasn't been getting much love on this board. Two career wins at 5.5f and 6f. Never won a route race at any distance, and now we're supposed to love him to win at 12f?
Bet as much on your opinion as you'd like, if you're right you can crow about it.
Good luck today.
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At least those 8 horses were able to catch their breath easier yesterday.
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So I wonder if Sherman's entire stable uses the strips?
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Medal Count No treatment
Chrome Back Pain 2 gm Bute
Matterhorn Inflammation 2 gm Bute
Curve Inflammation 2 gm Bute
R.O.C. Mild Inflammation, Articular Cartilage wear and tear,
Adequan 500 mg, Legend 40mg
Matterhorn Inflammation 2 gm Bute
Samraat Low Blood Count Vit C and Vit B
Commissioner Inflammat
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From ABC news Fresno, CA KFSN-TV on Mon May 19.2014
"Some horses, like humans, wear nasal strips to assist breathing. The colt wears the strip only during races, not training."
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He only uses the strip when he races. Read that numerous times.
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Jim P,
My point on the nasal strip is that the New Yorkers changed a rule for this horse because he would contend for the Triple Crown.
What you think the powers that be in NY would have said if the connections of Ride on Curlin had said, "if ROC doesn't wear the strip, we won't run."
They would have told them to take a hike.
The rule was changed for one horse. No other w
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TMW,
I'm not anticipating a sudden improvement by any horse as a result of adding a nasal strip. Assuming a horse will improve with the strip is a total guess.
I wouldn't think after the fact the trainers or fans can no longer use Chrome's use of shoes or strip as a advantage to his winning. The shoes and strip are available to every single horse in the race. Those changes hav
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The shoes changed his stride to 110 degrees.
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bbb,
I looked at Chrome's entries, the result charts and there is no mention of a shoe change or nasal strip.
I did notice that Chrome ran the first 3 starts of his career with No Lasix or blinkers but with front wraps on.
He ADDED Lasix and blinkers in his 4th career start at Dmr on 7/13 with a win, then he had 2 straight losses, one at Dmr on 9/4 and another loss at SA on 11/1.
I also
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Paul,
My understanding is the farrier made the shoe change without even telling the connections.
The shoe change and the nasal strip made Chrome a new horse, so maybe a combination of both changes.
Peace out man!!
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Players should have all information available to them, then they can make informed decisions and wager on their opinion.
How do they expect a site like TG to produce the very best numbers possible if not all info is available to them? Symbols like bo, bi, tu, etc all play a part in the decision to play a horse or not.
IF the information on Chrome back in December indicated that he had a shoe c
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I'm doing a prelim here using Contessa as the example.
He won on 5/23 going 1M at 20K claimer and won and paid about 20.00, the horse had been claimed 5/1/14 from D. Jacobson for 12.5K after running 5th that race. The horse is back in today (8 days later) going a mile for 16K.
His horse Regulus ran on 5/17/14 6f at 40K claimers. He returned 7 days later on 524/14 and won a 7f for 25K.
H
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Looks like a tall order for any of the entrants to win.
If you dismiss Danza (entered and scratched) and Dance With Fate (not entered) that still leaves the other top 5 finishers in the Derby going into this race.
With Chrome's self-made good trip in the Derby and then take into account either ground loss due to a large field or Belmont horses who encountered trouble the total gap from
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Richie,
Recently Ruler on Ice, Summer Bird, and Rags to Riches were Belmont winners with no previous races on the Belmont surface.
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Tough to get a lot past this crowd.
You name it, there seems to be some type of expertise on almost every subject among the TG crowd.
From Mello Covello to the sharp tongued few, this board has them all.
Every topic from troubled trips to nasal strips.
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What are you doing for Memorial Day? Has she ever been to Pimlico?
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alm,
I have to post one more time about your topic.
I checked out a few of your past posts prior to the Derby, including your Derby selections.
2012 Alpha, Hansen, Gemologist;
2011 Soldat, Uncle Mo, Mucho Macho Man;
2010 Sidney's Candy, Awesome Act;
2008 Colonel John, with Big Brown a toss
In 4 separate years, you crushed the Derby with a total of MMM in the super.
I'm not s
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I re-read all three of your posts on this topic and wonder if you're in the right forum.
Some of the guys here do win on occasion and when you say in your May 21 post, "Like the Derby and the Preakness this race isn't worth betting unless you toss the favorite and hope. That's fine if you're desperate to bet it, but it's not a strategy." Then can you explai
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4/5 because Curve and Curlin were running at him late in both legs. Did not blitz the field like Brown, Smarty, etc.
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Kekomi,
Nice to hear from you again. Can I assume you're a vegetarian?
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Richie,
Without a backup system, that would be tough. Talked with my son who's in that business and first thing he said was, "Oh, s@@t, their whole business is data."
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smith,
Lot of us on the board are suspicious of 2 trainers who have been suspended 100 times combined. When you have Graham Motion with over 10,000 starts and no drug violations that's a big disparity.
If you watch the replay, its obviously Kent starting asking the horse just prior to the mile mark. He asked him and nothing, asked him again and nothing again, so it appears at just after
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Boscar,
Then by all means, after the race one of us will be right and the other totally full of s##t.
I have much more creative ways of betting the race than selling tickets on ebay.
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So what happens if I buy 1000 $2.00 win tickets and he wins the Triple Crown and I post them on ebay for $ 20.00 each? Which one you gonna buy first?
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