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Silver,
Close Hatches ran 9f in 3 races. You can check Thoroughbred Horse Pedigree Query and in upper left type in her name. When her pedigree info comes up you can click on Reports and the drop down menu will let you click on Pedigree, Stakes Races, etc.
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Reminds me of the student who brings home a crappy report card and doesn't want to show the parents. During those times when I had a great report card I couldn't wait to show them. If the numbers on the report card were not so good, I walked around holding my breath hoping they'd forget to ask. Can't imagine their response on the poor card if I told them I would only show the
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Both a north and south skinker blvd in st. Louis
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Jimbo, good to see you back again.
Hey, did you see that Zenyatta and that other mare were inducted into the Hall of Fame? Just kidding, welcome back and sorry business soured, at least you have your health, right?
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R1 #1
R2 #7
R3 #11
R4 #9,#13
R7 #5
R9 #3
R10 #4
R11 #1,#10,#11,#13,#14
R12 #1 #12
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Fu Peg 3.67
Giacomo 4.33
Mine That Bird 5.40
Am. Pharoah 4.33
Strike The Gold in 1991 the highest at 9.00
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moosepalm,
From Nebraska here, no offense taken since we're just a bunch of hicks out here.
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No. I'm done this time I promise. I would have been done earlier but been dodging tornadoes out here off and on for 3 hours tonight and I figured if tonight's the night I bite the dust I wanted closure. LOL
And to think earlier today I was drilling the link king. I agree RICH, and shame on me.
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T,
One more mostly unrelated thought. Another poster wonders why I used the 2005-2014 years as a sample. 10 years is easy to work with. In that 10 year period we had 2 different $ 100.00 winners, several chalk winners like Brown, Orb, Chrome, Street Sense was chalky, we had Super Saver at 14.00 or so, we had Barbaro with the turf background and a bunch of horses entered that ran on or were in
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T,
I'm on board with that way of thinking. My point in the 4 preps was the others in the sample with 4 preps did very poorly. Didn't mean Upstart would. I would have been very happy had he brought his A game, cause I played him.
The two horses in the sample with 4 preps prior to the Derby were Verrazano and Keyed Entry. No question, most serious handicappers gave Verrazano no chanc
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sek,
I'm gonna renege one time about being finished with responding.
2014-13-12-11-10-09-08=07=06=05 That is the 10 year period I used, I could not have been more clear. You insist on including Smarty who ran in 2004. My initial sheet SPECIFICALLY says the last 10 Derby's. I didn't include Seattle Slew either.
I already explain Brother Derek more than once. I don't care
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sek,
I'm sure everyone is as sick of this as I am, so I'm gonna account for the horses I used, the criteria I used, and then you come back and inform me where else my, still not finished, information is wrong. At any rate, I'm done responding to you.
Point #1. SMARTY JONES WAS 2004. I DID 2005 - 2014. Not even in the right year.
Brother Derek is in the 4th slot in the group of
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What I learned was horses with a negative number in one of their first 2 starts and 4 preps are likely to run up the track. I didn't know that going in, hence I played him.
You're privy to the reason(s) he didn't run to expectations, so I can appreciate that.
I've been wrong before.
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Smarty was '04, I went back to '05.
Animal Kingdom, Mine That Bird and Curlin were not in the criteria that I using.
Brother Derek didn't win the race.
Since I live in Nebraska, do you really care if I pay $ 10.00 or $ 100.00 for a ton of hay? It would be my money.
I thought we were gonna play nice sek?
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Mr. C,
Now that the Derby is over, I was able to put the similarities between Brown and AP to see the likelihood of AP winning in Baltimore.
Brown had the 2 year old turf out under Patrick Reynolds then was turned over to Tricky. A 182 day layoff began prior to his 3 year old campaign.
AP came off his 2 year old campaign with a 197 day layoff prior to his 3 year old campaign.
Both horse
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Interesting and looks like fun. Printed and saved.
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Mike,
I know the draw down with Lasix is maybe 75-100# depending on the horse.
Totally agree on Firing Line with the short rest off the big effort.
Until some of these horses hit mid stretch in Baltimore we may not know how much that Derby took out of them.
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joe,
"I have to stick with what works for me, even if I go broke."
If I told that to my wife, she wouldn't like that plan at all.
I used to tell my wife when it comes to physiology, I'm like an idiot savant.
She always said, "you're half right."
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I'll text him my diet. That'll put some weight on him.
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joe,
Are you crazy? Wait til sek gets wind of your post. At least you have 5 weeks. LOL
j/k sek. Peace out.
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toppled,
I thought once he arrived at CD he was really up against it. Due to some of the reasons you cite. The days before they put him on a plane, then the logistics of being in Arlington to later be shipped to Skylight in Kentucky.
When the horse was not allowed his normal diet, the travel, training on the synthetic surface.
He was short on TG numbers to begin with, add in all other factor
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At this point the TG fig has been right on the button with the foreign 3 year old Derby entrants. If or when the day comes and there is a foreign invader that's been firing some 0's or 1's over there, it could be silly to just dismiss that one, especially with FTL.
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True that. TGJB let sek and I go at it until he chose to step in and separate the fighters!
In the last couple weeks we've had really intense exchanges between TGJB/Vito, TGJB/miff, and a handful of other spirited disagreements.
But, you have to admire the passion in this room, the room has a ton of talent, guys who really have a understanding of this sport. Anytime you get so many strong
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"That aside, everyone knock it off. Funny is better."
Seriously? It matters when TGJB says it.
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Thank you sir. I was tired of my own comments several posts ago.
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sekrah,
Watch how easy this is. I agree with the first two lines of your post. I posted earlier today about the spacing for AP.
A lot of people will play against him at Pimlico. After he completely emptied last Saturday, it will be interesting to see if he, as Covel (I think?) says, puts the weight back on. And as someone suggests AP show a nice work.
He answered the bell with a grueling, w
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sekrah,
First of all I did not play Mub. Those that did bet Mub it didn't work out very well for them.
You bet one of the fastest horses in the race. How did that work out for you?
Everything I said in my post was accurate, and I did purchase the figures and the seminar.
You don't "laugh" at people who trip over themselves to bet garbage slow Dubai horses, you have to d
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sekrah,
Come on guy. Since you fell in love with Upstart do you have more right to call yourself a winner any more than those who fell in love with Mub? Neither horse measured up to their supporters expectations. It happens.
Your horse wound up watching Mub's slow moving Dubai rear end for 10 furlongs. Why would that make them a loser and you a winner?
Back to an earlier point I made t
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